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  1. Mark Eisen
    Mark Eisen July 5, 2013 at 4:35 pm |

    In short, your saying “you didn’t get a good education open a budiness just loke i did”. If i got it right let me start by mentioning the 4 basic ways 1 can earn a living; Employment, self employment, business owner, investor (Rich Dad). While it is true that it is possible to make a nice living from the latter 3 ways without any education, however to earn a decent living from employment you need a good education. You are right that complaining wont make you rich, but the vast majority of ppl that earn to live comfortable do so thru employment/self employment which require a decent education. So for most ppl, without education their options are slim to none compared to those with education.

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  2. Alan Falk
    Alan Falk July 9, 2013 at 9:51 pm |

    While I agree with the title that “Blaming Your Poor Education Won’t get you Rich”, because blaming anything on your past will get you nowhere, this should only to be used after the fact. The underlying and not so subtle message of the article is that it is ok to not have a decent education because you made it even without the education. The fact is however, that most people won’t make it with poor education and it is NOT ok to rely on being able to overcome the challenge just like so and so did. There are many inspiring stories of people who overcame challenges and did remarkable things with their life and you are one of them, but they are inspiring only because most people can’t overcome that challenge.

    Not everyone has the self driven and entrepreneurial skills you posses and as Mark said, these people will have to look for employment in the regular job market where it is almost impossible to find a decent job without education. Learning English at age 25+ is also very hard and not everyone is able to do that.

    You are the exception to rule, not the rule!!

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    1. Mark Eisen
      Mark Eisen July 10, 2013 at 10:35 am |

      Alan, I dont see here an option ‘Kiss this Reply’ so i can’t but consider it as if…

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  3. Izzy green
    Izzy green July 9, 2013 at 11:08 pm |

    Alan, thanks for your comment. Seems like you misread my article. I’m in no way suggesting that its okay to not give education based on the fact that ‘some’ made it without it. I’m talking to those individuals who have not gotten it.

    There is no such thing as a person can’t be successful, no matter how many limitations they have. Every person is unique, and so are their capabilities. Those stories are remarkable, not because most people ‘can’t overcome their challenges, they are remarkable because these individuals were actually willing to do what it takes to overcome their challenges. And I’m sure if you take each and every success story, and look in to those people, you will find no hidden talent. Most of them are actually pretty stupid (including myself). But you know what they all have in common; a willingness to do what ever it takes!

    I agree that not everyone has what it takes to be an entrepreneur. But does that mean that they are out of luck? They don’t have a chance in being successful? No. They have to do whatever it takes to be successful on their level. And sometimes that means getting some additional education later on in life.

    As a matter of fact there are many people who worked themselves up in the employment sector and became very successful as a result of hard work, not education.

    In short; I’m in no shape or form justifying not giving good education to our children, we should give them all the tools they might need to be successful. In this article I’m talking to those individuals who haven’t gotten a good education and telling them “my dear friend, you are not lost. If you are willing to work hard you will be successful. There is something out there where you can make yourself successful”. That being said, I believe that my title is very suitable for the article.

    P.S. learning English at the age of 25 is damn hard, but still not impossible.

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    1. Mark Eisen
      Mark Eisen July 10, 2013 at 10:48 am |

      Izzy, the point you are making that this article was as an encouraging msg to those who didn’t get any education, that they shouldn’t complain about it but rather just do whatever it takes to become successful, this I agree with. The point which I don’t think you get is that most people (& I’ll say it again the majority of people) that didn’t get an education do NOT have what it takes to build up their own business. If it is not the lack of education it may be their lack of vision, weak managerial skills. This equals again to being limited to the employment sector, and employment without education equals to low income.

      Although these weaknesses mentioned are things that can be worked on, you agree that that it is very hard to master at. So before encouraging them to go & bust their butts & they will make it, at least express that you understand that it will be twice as hard as those who did get education, but it could be done.

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      1. Aliza
        Aliza August 4, 2013 at 10:41 pm |

        I am joining this conversation a little late. I followed the link from the comment on CHYE.

        Mark, there are numerous variables that determine the success of a person in the world of making a livelihood. In America, many immigrants, who had to learn English at a late age, managed to become very successful. While plenty of well educated Americans are struggling. Some are struggling to get their first big break – and others are struggling from student loans and/or over spending because they figure their education is going to bring them money.
        A lot of people are not cut out to be students. That does not mean they are stupid, or that they are not going to be successful. I hope the cultural ‘Emunah’ in higher education, does not make those who are not academically inclined, feel like they are blemished.

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  4. Ben Glancz
    Ben Glancz July 10, 2013 at 10:21 am |

    Mark Eisen: Re; “let me start by mentioning the 4 basic ways 1 can earn a living; Employment, self employment, business owner, investor”

    Well, let me take the Investor out, since that would be someone who already has the fluid, and is in a position of only increasing his/her wealth. That’s for another time.

    Let me focus on your Employment claims, and to make things familiar, I will use your own past so that you get my point best…

    You and Izzy I believe, have attended the same High School, and picked up the same bit-to-nothing. Now, as far as I recall, you yourself started in the employment sector, worked your way up to the sales sector, which (as Izzy calls it) can be categorized as Entrepreneur, and from there on growing.

    Now, would you be able to explain me how your lil education got you to where you are today, assuming you are right that in Employment you DO need education?

    Further more, you go on to say “but the vast majority of ppl that earn to live comfortable do so thru employment/self employment which require a decent education. So for most ppl, without education their options are slim to none compared to those with education.”

    Well, the people I know, without an education, who are in the employment sector as you call it, can end up in one of 3 places.

    1) Stay an employee (Because they are not willing to grow or are just comfortable)

    2) Become a Self employer (They worked themselves out of their 1-2 jobs, into their own lil venture. Still without an education, yet make a nicer living than the Employee)

    3) Become a Business owner / Investor / Or anything above. (Because they were like the Mark Eisen’s and Izzy Green’s I know who fought their way up, regardless of which High School they attended..

    Now, make your point again please.

    Btw, if you’ll read the main post again, you will notice that Izzy didn’t discourage anyone from choosing to get a good education at the Get-go. He is talking to your beloved Employee/Employers today, and encouraging them to focus on what their options are now, instead of looking back and searching for one to blame.

    Mark, keep it up… Oh, and Alan Falk, I will get onto you another time….

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    1. Mark Eisen
      Mark Eisen July 10, 2013 at 11:09 am |

      Ben, I’ll make life very easy for you. Please take a moment and reread my comment and tell me how using me as an example suggests anything different than what I wrote. I’ll state it again, the vast majority of people in this country that earn a comfortable living, do so as a result of their education. Of course there are some people that go out and make it without it but to announce “stop whining cuz some have made it” is being ignorant. A more effective way would be to express compassion that it might be tough as hell but if you work hard and not give up you will make it.

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      1. Ben Glancz
        Ben Glancz July 10, 2013 at 11:25 am |

        Re: the Eisen Compassion Initiative…

        Yes, yes, and again Yes, we need to show compassion for the poor, the minority, and the elderly.

        This blog post wasn’t for charitable causes.

        Izzy was talking to those who say to be working on growing their business, he was advising them to focus on how they can grow rather than to blame the past. Period.

        He was using his own example of how focus built him.

        Read again. It can be helpful..

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        1. Izzy Green
          Izzy Green July 10, 2013 at 11:30 am |

          Yes Ben, to give a pat on the back, there are many nice people, organization and therapist out there who can do that. But none of that is gonna help them marry off their own kids, and even more than that, give their kids the education that they didn’t get.

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          1. Mark Eisen
            Mark Eisen July 10, 2013 at 11:45 am |

            Ben & Izzy, I’m happy for you that I put in the compassion part so you had what to reply. In case I wasn’t clear enough, when addressing those with limited options you can either use examples of a few ppl that made it and use that as proof that it is doable, or you can acknowledge that it will be hard (cuz it u agree that it will be) but go for it, don’t quit & you will make it. The latter is what I believe will be more effective.

  5. Alan Falk
    Alan Falk July 10, 2013 at 2:31 pm |

    To summarize, we all agree that a good education and decent income are intertwined by the laws of nature today, we also all agree that if you didn’t receive a good education or anything else for that matter, you can still do well and complaining about it will get you nowhere.

    Where we disagree is: 1) just how hard of a challenge it is to overcome, ranging from easy to almost impossible, and 2) if the article is encouraging the system of not educating our children and I argue that it is!

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  6. Menachem Meisner
    Menachem Meisner July 10, 2013 at 3:23 pm |

    Spending time now to draft a response definitely won’t make me rich, I will holler at you guys later! :)

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  7. Mark Eisen
    Mark Eisen July 11, 2013 at 9:50 am |

    This argument was brought up yesterday on Twitter which reminded me of a story. 1 day a handicapped guy was excited more than his usual. When asked what he’s so excited about he said that he met today a successful model this morning & asked her how she made it so big in the industry. She told him that before she started she was overweight & poor. Everyone told her that she’ll never make it in the modeling business. She worked hard to get into shape, borrowed some $, & with perseverance she made it. So, if she was able to make it no one should tell me that i can’t make it in modeling.

    While inspiration & positive thinking is always great & in fact I would probably encourage him to try to model for wheelchair makers, the comparison that he made between himself & that woman is like comparing apples to falafel.

    My point; when the issue of yes education or no education is brought up in the secular world it is a question of whether ‘after high school’ one should spent tens of thousands to go to college & get a carrier which will get him limited income, vs. going into business. What no education was referred to in this article is about not being able to communicate properly in English, verbally or in writing. Knowing secular subject as a 3rd grader is different than not going to college.

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  8. Ben Glancz
    Ben Glancz July 11, 2013 at 10:14 am |

    Eisen, not to be harsh, but yes, I do see where your lil education is working against you.

    … With not being able to let go of a point that you know makes lil-to-no sense

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    1. Mark Eisen
      Mark Eisen July 11, 2013 at 10:19 am |

      Likewise Ben

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  10. izzy green
    izzy green April 23, 2014 at 11:07 am |

    Someone shared with me the following great video that talks about not blaming your poor education. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjjYVROiJIA

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